When Does Dealer Stop Blackjack

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Dear readers,
Whenever a dealer's up card is an Ace Insurance is offered and after it has closed she peeks to see if she has a natural. My question is the following: apart from the aforementioned scenario is there any other time where the dealer peeks to see if she has a Blackjack?
Thank you.
Deucekies
If the up card is a ten-value card, the dealer will immediately check for an Ace underneath.
If the up card is an Ace, the dealer will offer insurance, and then check for a ten-value card underneath.
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Plato
'If the up card is a ten-value card, the dealer will immediately check for an Ace underneath.'
If the dealer indeed has an Ace underneath, will she reveal it immediately?
charliepatrick
I believe most US casinos 'peek' for any possible Blackjack, so would check when their up-card is a ten-value card or Ace. For completeness there are some casinos that don't 'peek'. Also I've seen reference to some that might only peek Aces and/or Tens.
(US) Atlantic City used to (may still do) not deal a second card to the dealer, so their Blackjack is only determined when all players have acted. However if the dealer does get Blackjack, only the original bet is lost - any doubles or splits are not lost.
(ENHC) In Europe, it is called European No Hole Card, the dealer also does not take a second card but any doubles or splits are lost. This means a slight change in strategy; also, unless you have a Blackjack, insurance isn't normally offered.
(Australia) There are various rules and the Wizard's site has details.
Dieter

If the dealer indeed has an Ace underneath, will she reveal it immediately?


Usually.
It is in the casino's interest to do so, from a hands-per-hour perspective.
May the cards fall in your favor.
1BB
I remember the 'old days' when the hands were completed before checking for blackjack. It could be frustrating at times for dealers and players alike in that the split and double portion of all bets had to be returned to the player. Split aces, get two 21s and lose. Yikes.
I say old days but that's how Foxwoods started and they opened in '92.
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Dieter

I say old days but that's how Foxwoods started and they opened in '92. Prayer to win money at casino.


Hole card peek devices were fairly new at that time. I believe that the Tech Art version was introduced around 1990.
May the cards fall in your favor.
beachbumbabs
Administrator

Hole card peek devices were fairly new at that time. I believe that the Tech Art version was introduced around 1990.


We didn't have them in 1985, I know that much. They were very particular as to how we peeked without exposure (finger placement etc.)
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Plato

Usually.
It is in the casino's interest to do so, from a hands-per-hour perspective.


So, everyone who does not have a natural loses immediately?
Dieter

So, everyone who does not have a natural loses immediately?

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Yes.
The long version:
A natural 21 ('Blackjack') ties another natural, and beats every other hand.
Anyone who does not have a natural is going to lose, no matter what they do.
Stopping the play at this point allows the next round of play to begin, increasing the number of hands per hour - which is advantageous to anyone playing with a positive expectation.
This should be exactly equivalent to 'OBO' (but not OBBO) for settling the current round, but changes subsequent rounds.
I believe there are some variants where the hole card of a ten-up might not be checked right away, and they may push any player 21.
DealerAsk if the house rules for blackjack are available to review. There are about two dozen rule variations I can think of, and most of them combine with each other to make a broad variety of rule sets.
If you encounter a 2:1 table where any two card 21 gets the 'natural bonus', let me know -- I will make a detour for a few hours. (I fully expect that this unicorn is next to the faro tables.)
May the cards fall in your favor.
SnapBack
Suppose you are the only player at the BlackJack table. So it is just you and the dealer. The dealers upward facing card is a 2, and you hold a hand of a 13 (10, and 3 cards). You then decide to hit your 13, however you receive a King, and this causes you to bust because you now have 10,3, K which is 23.
The dealer then flips his/her face down card and the dealers cards are a Queen and the 2. So the dealer now has a 12.
Obviously at this point the dealer has won. So here is my question. Does the dealer keep drawing cards, until he/she exceeds the number 16? Or will the dealer stop because the only player at the table has already lost?
Furthermore, let's suppose the dealer hits the 12, and receives another Queen, which would give the dealer a Queen, 2, and Queen which is 22. So effectively the dealer would also bust.
Greasyjohn

Suppose you are the only player at the BlackJack table. So it is just you and the dealer. The dealers upward facing card is a 2, and you hold a hand of a 13 (10, and 3 cards). You then decide to hit your 13, however you receive a King, and this causes you to bust because you now have 10,3, K which is 23.
The dealer then flips his/her face down card and the dealers cards are a Queen and the 2. So the dealer now has a 12.
Obviously at this point the dealer has won. So here is my question. Does the dealer keep drawing cards, until he/she exceeds the number 16? Or will the dealer stop because the only player at the table has already lost?
Furthermore, let's suppose the dealer hits the 12, and receives another Queen, which would give the dealer a Queen, 2, and Queen which is 22. So effectively the dealer would also bust.


The delaler will not play out his hand if there are no players in the game. And if a player busts, and the dealer then plays out his hand (because there is still at least one active player still in the game) and he subsequently busts, the player still loses because the player busted first.
There are many good books on blackjack at your local library that explain all the rules of the game.
Kellynbnf
Generally if the dealer's outcome is moot (which with American hole-card rules would be if all hands were a blackjack, busted, and/or surrendered if applicable) the dealer will not play out his/her hand. An exception may be if there are any side bets in play that are dependent on the dealer's final hand (so the factor of there possibly being no main bets in play would not affect the odds).
gordonm888
On a hand in which all of the players have busted, the hand ends once the last player busts. The dealer does not waste time by playing out the dealer's hand, the dealer stops drawing cards, discards the cards on the table and moves on to dealing the next hand.
WhenThe fact that the dealer was on a course to bust is irrelevant. Think of it this way -imagine you are in a two player game with the dealer. You go first and hit a stiff 16 and you bust. The dealer takes away the chips you had bet and your cards. The next player at the table has a a 20 and Stands. The dealer then reveals his cards, hits and busts his hand. Nothing has changed in regards to you as a player who has already busted -you have still lost the chips that you bet.
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SnapBack
Hi GreasyJohn,
I own several Black Jack books, and none of them explain that scenario I described. I ordered the books from Amazon.com. I recently read an excellent book on Black Jack and the author talks about a 'Greasy John' who use to play Black Jack in the 70's and 80's. Greasy John would eat Fried Chicken at a black jack table and purposely scare off other players at a table so that he could be the only player. I am wondering if you coined that name from the legendary greasy John who was an excellent black jack player, and who had a rudimentary form of card counting that he would use. Or possibly we are fortunate enough to have the real Greasy John hanging out on this forum, which I find would be quite amazing.
I see you have posted 1008 times, so I presume it is ok to ask Black Jack questions on this forum?
Your answer really does not answer my question though. You replied that the dealer would not play out his hand if there were no players in the game. My scenario involves one player and the dealer. Not 'No players'. So your answer didn't seem to help much. I believe
beachbumbabs
Administrator
If there is one player, and that player busts, the dealer will not hit his hand, no matter what he has.
EXCEPTION: If there is a sidebet in play (has an active bet on it) that depends on the dealer's final hand, the dealer SHOULD hit his hand IAW table rules (as if the player had not busted); this will be dependent on jurisdiction and house rules, as the paytable for the sidebet will (most likely) not have tried to account for the incidence of all players bust before sidebet resolution.
However, no matter what happens with the sidebet, the player's main bet has been lost because he busted before the dealer resolved his hand.
Reiterating what was said above in, hopefully, simpler language that addresses your question.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Greasyjohn

Hi GreasyJohn,
I own several Black Jack books, and none of them explain that scenario I described. I ordered the books from Amazon.com. I recently read an excellent book on Black Jack and the author talks about a 'Greasy John' who use to play Black Jack in the 70's and 80's. Greasy John would eat Fried Chicken at a black jack table and purposely scare off other players at a table so that he could be the only player. I am wondering if you coined that name from the legendary greasy John who was an excellent black jack player, and who had a rudimentary form of card counting that he would use. Or possibly we are fortunate enough to have the real Greasy John hanging out on this forum, which I find would be quite amazing.
I see you have posted 1008 times, so I presume it is ok to ask Black Jack questions on this forum?
Your answer really does not answer my question though. You replied that the dealer would not play out his hand if there were no players in the game. My scenario involves one player and the dealer. Not 'No players'. https://omgmicro.netlify.app/best-indian-casino-southern-california.html. So your answer didn't seem to help much. I believe

When Does Dealer Stop Blackjack
Hi SnapBack,
First, I did answer your question. You mentioned that it was just you playing against the dealer but you had busted. So when the dealer got to his hand there were no active players still in the round.
Please tell me who the author is that refers to Greasy John being a player that was active in the 70s and 80s. In the book Beat The Dealer (revised edition from 1966, and I would guess the 1962 edition) on page 174 there's mention of Greasy John who was an early blackjack 'system' player who had already passed away before the book's release. I don't recall seeing any other book refer to him. I took my handle from this character.
SnapBack
Hi Greasy John, I read parts of Ed Thorpes book beat the dealer, a few years ago, and I might have read it there. Although I cannot remember for sure. It is also possible that I also read it on some Wiki Page. I can't remember which. Regardless, it is an honor to have you answer my questions. Feeble as they may seem, I appreciate your patience sir.
SnapBack
GreasyJohn, Sir -
A fun Black Jack book I read recently was named Black Jack Autumn. I really liked that book. I will bet you have read that one as well, because I'll bet you are a pro. I would recommend that book if you have not read it.
Greasyjohn

GreasyJohn, Sir -
A fun Black Jack book I read recently was named Black Jack Autumn. I really liked that book. I will bet you have read that one as well, because I'll bet you are a pro. I would recommend that book if you have not read it.


SnapBack,
A blackjack pro is a person that makes his/her living playing blackjack. A simi-pro is someone who supplements his/her income playing blackjack. Although I am a counter who has made a lifetime profit playing blackjack, I am, by definition, a recreational player.
I don't think I've read Blackjack Autumn--I don't recognize the author.
I would recommend you read The World's Greatest Blackjack Book. It's my favorite book on the subject. I would not encourage you to learn Hi-Opt 1 (the counting system the book originates) if you are playing 4 or more deck shoes. It is a difficult system to employ with an ace side count in a game with more than two decks.
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